Musician Tour Diary, Aug 1987

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records much' or 'I like their records but they're noisy live,' and the lyrics are just a portion of it. People tend to focus on them as being some kind of biblical...godsend or something. 'Here come some more words of wisdom from God.' Those are just our thoughts, and what people want to take them as is up to them. We're in a band that people like and look up to, but you don't have to take this as the way you have to live your life. It's like, this is what we are. You can take a look at it and make what you like out of it. But don't do what we do just because of what we are. That's what I mean by not taking it too seriously: They're serious, thought-provoking lyrics, but to us." "It's what you're thinking about when you're playing," adds Grant.
      How about having three songwriters in the group, does that make it harder to put an album together? "Not really," says Greg. "It's because we're Hüsker Dü, not Grant Hart and two unlisted sidemen or Bob Mould and two unlisted sidemen. There are a lot of songs the three of us have written that aren't suited to the group." "When you get ready to make a record, you have to look at what everybody has," Bob amplifies. "One thing that was nice about this record was just the amount of jamming we were doing to find out what the common vocabulary of the instruments was. And from that you can whittle down what songs are going to work and which are better just left in the notebooks. Now there were real separate styles on Candy Apple Grey; it was real rfagmented. It was so damned depressing, bleak. Candy Apple Grey was the result of four-and-a-half years of not stoping to take a look. We were due for a real bleak album and that was it." "Yeah," adds Grant, "we get all these dark-circled faces coming up saying, 'I really liked that album.'"
      That's another nice thing about Hüsker Dü: They're accessible to their fans, be they dark-circled or apple-cheeked. "It's hard to share with somebody," Grant says, aware that he's framing another epigram, "if you don't let them at the table." "We don't think of ourselves as famous," Bob adds, " and so we don't have any right to do that. By being very public with people, I expect them not to be very private with me. We're accessible at one level and untouchable at another."
      But the fame is growing. What about the possibility that you may find yourselves with a hit on your hands? "I think every song we wrote is a hit," Bob says, dead serious. "Maybe not compared to Bon Jovi, but I think we write a lot better songs than ninety-nine percent of the bands that are going right now. To be honest, there are a couple of songs on each album that we pay extra attention to, some songs that are just begging to sound a certain way. Like on Flip Your Wig, 'Makes No Sense At All' and 'Green Eyes' were the two songs we spent a lot of time on, to make sure they were impeccable by our standards." And they have finally reached the point where their songs are getting covered: To my utter surprise, the band says that Robert Palmer encores with a version of ZZ Top's "Legs" that segues into that masterpiece of controlled chaos "New Day Rising." I'd like to hear that, although I guess I'm not prepared to sit through an entire Robert Palmer show to do so.
      "I don't know," Bob muses as soundcheck draws near. "Money hasn't changed the way we do it. We stuck through the lean years and went through the things that kill other bands." Does it get easier as you go along? "No. Your time changes. You're a little more pressed. You spend more time answering mail or administering the business end of it. We had our own label for a while, Reflex, and

had a lot of bands we worked with and helped out financially. We don't have time to do that anymore, and it would hurt the other bands to pretend that we could so instead we'll produce their records or give them information about booking tours and stuff. We're all pretty busy outside the band. Outside the band? I mean the couple of hours each day when it's not the band. Hey, we didn't get together to get rich and famous. Now we're"— "obscure and middle-class," Grant interjects— "self-supporting and well-known," Bob picks up. "I guess one thing I'm proud of is that we've never bounced a check and don't owe anybody any money. That's a lot more than most people get out of life."
      "And while doing that," Grant sums up, "we've maintained a great relationship with our art."
      Which is just what they manage to do that night at the Uptown Theatre, a giddily rococo joint that has seen the cream of Kansas City jazz, from Andy Kirk to Jay McShann to Charlie Parker, under its roof. The older, drinking-age crowd is downstairs, while the youngsters fill the balcony, and this leads to a very weird incident at the show's end. Everybody's pooped so the post-gig socializing is held to a minimum, although fans are accommodated. Grant and I are walking around as the room empties, and I see that the T-shirts are only twelve dollars. "I'm going to get one of those," I say, but Grant dissuades me, saying he'll get me one. "You sure? I can buy one," I say. As we stand there. I fail to notice the mob that's held back by the security. For some reason the kiddies have to be kept upstairs for a while (until the liquor is put away?), and as Grant and I turn to go back inside the hall, somebody yells, "Okay!" and the mob swarms down the stairs, catching us up in the flood of bodies. They're lining up to buy T-shirts, while almost trampling one of the guys in the band that has,
presumably, excited them into this consumer frenzy. What, I wonder, is their relationship to this art? What does Hüsker Dü mean to them, other than an excuse to wear their Discharge T-shirts and goop up their hair. Makes no sense at all.

Bob Mould: "I have a number of mid-70s Ibanez Flying Vs; actually the Rocket Roll Flying V is what it's called. I use GHS Boomer Extra-Light strings and Jim Dunlop light picks. I also use a Washburn acoustic electric, and I've got a Yamaha 12-string acoustic. As for amps, Yamaha G-100 heads running 4x12s, a Marshall and a Sonic, both with Celestion speakers, and I slave those into Fender Concerts with stock JBLs. For effects I have a Distortion Plus and a Roland SDE-1000 digital delay. That's just live. The studio is, uh, other things."
Greg Norton: "I play an Ibanez Roadstar Series II RB 940 bass guitar with a full-scale three-octave neck, and use GHS Boomer medium-gauge strings. I've got a Peavey Megabass digital bass head which is used with the Urei L-2 (DLA 48) and those both go into an SVT cabinet that's got eight 10s in it and a custom- built Batson cabinet that's got two 15s."
Grant Hart: "I have Joe Calato Regal Tip 7A sticks, a variety of Chinese and Turkish cymbals, Yamaha cymbal stands, a Ludwig Speed King foot pedal, a 7x14 solid rock maple bentwood snare, a 9x13 rack-mounted tom, using a Galou rim and a 16x16 floor tom, and a 24x14 bass drum, and a Yamaha throne and that's about it."
Epilogue: This is important to the guys: It's pronounced Hoosker Doo. Or, as Grant says, "This isn't a band of husks."


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